Sunday, June 28, 2009

Sachin not only scores but also 'wins'

Yes, I am yet another Sachin fan. There had been days, I will check the highlights package to catch a glimplse of his solitary boundary. Yes, he has changed a lot, adapted a lot, curtailed his shots a lot more. But nothing above has happened to my adulation. In fact he made his debut in 1989 and I started my education around that time. He is still playing and I am still studying lol ..
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A few days before one of my friends argued that Sachin has not produced many match winning innings and that is where Lara scores above him. My immediate gut feeling was he was wrong. Having a keen interest in stats I wanted to prove him wrong and that too statistically. The post is an outcome of that.
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When it comes to greatness, stats is not the right tool. And I never want to get into the argument of who is greater. To me, both Sachin and Lara are great batsmen, and by loving Sachin more I am not going to rile Lara. And I dont want to compare greats and rank them. I believe each one is at a different level and it is foolish on our part to attempt a comparison. Yet, I wanted to bring out a common misconception that Sachin has not won many matches for India. And what better than a Test field (ODIs, it is obvious that most of his tons have won matches for India).
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What are the stats am I going to employ? I dont want to complicate reading and interpretation. I will just take into account two things, 100s and average in the matches players have been part of a winning team and a subjective interpretation of some of their big scores, again, when their team has won. So here is that table!

Player
Total
Won
100s
Avg.
Major Venues
Major opponents
Major Scores
Sachin
184
63
20
66.6
Eng, Pak, SL, WI
Aus, Eng, Pak, SL
155* v Aus, 193 in Eng, 165 vs Eng, 194* in Pak, 214 v Aus
Lara
131
32
8
61.02
Aus, NZ
Aus, Eng, Pak
132 in Aus, 213 vs Aus, 153* vs Aus, 167 vs Eng
Richards
121
63
12
52.43
Aus, Eng
Aus, Eng
Lot many to put here
Dravid
160
56
15
65.8
Aus, Eng, Pak
Aus, Eng, Pak
180 vs Aus, 233 in Aus, 148 in Eng, 270 in Pak
Sehwag

92
37
7
57.2
Pak, SL
Pak, SL, SA
309 in Pak, 293 vs SL, 201* in SL, 165 vs SA
Gavaskar
125
23
6
43.97
Aus, NZ, WI
Aus, NZ, Pak, WI
118 in Aus, 102 in WI, 166 vs Pak

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Note: The 'total' column gives the total career matches and the 'won' column gives the number of matches his team has won when the player had been part of that team
All stats pertain only to the 'won' matches.
In the major scores column, 'vs' indicates home matches and 'in' indicates that the score was made overseas
Look at Dravid's stats it is stunning!!
Sachin has also scored a 248* in Bang and a 176 against Zim
Sehwags's average shot up after the tour of SL in 2009!
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The conclusions from the table are immediate and obvious. Sachin has a century in approximately one out of ever 3 wins and Lara has 1 out of 4. Sachin's average is also almost 5 points higher than Lara's. And, a look at the high scores column will indicate Sachin's 100s were by no means small ones. They were big 100s. Both had relatively weak teams and had to carry a heavy burden. Both were greats. No doubt about that. I just want to show that Sachin had also won many matches for India. And, there is a big boost to these stats post 2009, when Sachin is having a golden period.
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Obviously the likes of Bradman, Ponting, Waugh won most of the matches they played in and hence their performance in their career will not be much different from their performance in the wins. Hence it will be an unfair comparison and hence I am not including them. But I fully agree that the above stats will be much better and much higher for them. And then there is that great Sobers, who not only won matches with his batting but also his bowling. Because of his all-round skills I had to exclude him from the list. And so is the reason for Kallis. And again I fully agree that their stats would be awesome too.
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Obviously matches won is not the only thing, there would have been many a matches the above people would have saved and many a great innings but still their team would have lost. But to analyse these innings will bring a lot of subjectivity like pitch and other match conditions. Anyway my objective was to just point out and try to eliminate one misconception on Sachin.
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Why is Sehwag part of the list? It is another belief that most of his tons have won matches for India thanks to his 300 against Pak and 200s against SL. Nevertheless they were one of the greatest innings and lets not forget the fact that Sachin scored a 195* in the same match.

5 comments:

  1. After posting, I realise that it is packed with Indian and West Indies players. Any other suggestions? Maybe Jayawardena, Inzy?? But most of the debates I am aware of is Sachin vs Lara, Sachin vs Dravid.. So maybe I will not include for the sake of inclusion? What say?

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  2. Would love to have Ponting & Gibbs too.
    Awesome work man.. there's no substitute to facts, to bring across a point convincingly :)

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  3. Thanks Raghu.. Ponting as I said will be too good on the list. He has been part of 89 wins and 27 tons in them at an average of 62!! Because Aussies have been so dominating in Tests that irrespective who hits a ton, they are gonna win. Gibbs din't do too well to warrant a mention. He has been part of 44 wins out of 90 test matches he has played and only in 8 wins he has scored a ton and has an average of just 45. And most of his tons were in SA too.

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  4. You have seen the 100s scored by each of them in a winning cause. It would be good to check the 2nd highest scorer in each of the matches. Would be a good indication of the support the main players (Sachin, Lara etc) got from other players. For e.g in the 153 not out by Lara I think the 2nd highest was 50 or a under 50 score by Jimmy Adams..So maybe a column on average 2nd highest scores when the protagonist has scored 100s is one thing that comes to my mind straight away....

    Would be good you if you add that detail....

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  5. @Surya
    I don't want to do that. Actually I thought of it and had a look at the scorecard of their 100s even as I wrote this blog and then decided against such an analysis for a number of reasons..
    #1 - What average will you take? Averages of others in wins or averages in wins in which they also scored a 100/50? If you take the former it will hide the single handedness that you are hinting at. If you take the latter the sample size is too small, Lara just has 8 hundreds (sachin has 20). He has an average of 179 in these matches and the second highest scorers have an average of 132.25. So it is still not clear

    #2 - There could be 2-3 contributors. For example say two 50s to go with his 100. In his 153*, there was a 100 and a 50 in the 1st innings by others. Equally important I would say. In Sachin's 155* there were a few 50's too.. But the next highest was just 64

    #3 - Single handedness was not my point. Contribution to win was my point. So what if you had been one among 2/3? You played a role right? Why should you be the only person to take your team through?

    #4 - With such a small sample size think of the effect of not outs

    Anyway here you go with the table.. I don't want to interpret this.. It becomes subjective.. Sachin's included a 248* But then the next highest was 75. Is it a great innings? Probably not. But is it useless? hmmm..

    .......Avg of 2nd highest Their Avg
    Sachin -- 121.3 ------------- 224
    Lara ---- 132.25 ------------ 179
    Dravid -- 140.53 ------------ 211
    Richar -- 107.08 ------------ 227
    Sehwag -- 125.85 ------------ 225
    Gavask -- 96.83 ------------- 124

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